Chaos: Byron Etta Talks About the Biggest Gang in the World, "Actual" Danger, and... Whiteness
Shout out to TOBY BUTTERFIELD for most of the photo creds
My friendship with Byron Etta started at Smith Rock State Park three years ago. He has always been one of my heroes in climbing and in life. From our first conversation he exuded such levels of candor, conviction, conscientiousness, and vigor that are rare to come by. Since our first meeting on that brisk early spring afternoon at Smith, we have tackled conversations about climbing, risk, feminism, racism, and whiteness. But how did we get there in this recording if this is a podcast about climbing? You're going to have to listen and find out...
By no means do we intend to put forth that we are right about all the things we say and discuss. We have had many conversations about these topics because we are trying our hardest to dissect our beliefs and question ourselves. This is a recording of our raw conversation and we hope it gets people to think, to argue, to talk back, to raise questions - to us, to their families, to their friends.
Personally, I know that some of the things I said in this conversation are not done in the most eloquent way. That was my fear going into this conversation and it has always been a fear of mine as I go down this path of things being on record. But I didn't edit this or cut anything out except for long pauses to save on time. I want people to see the flaws, see the difficulty that I have in discussing these things, and how I struggle with making my thoughts as clear as possible. In this way I am making an effort to open up these things for discussion. This is just the beginning. This is not the first can of worms, and it certainly won't be the last.
Thank you for listening.